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The only WTF about this is thats what the moron waking me up will say just before I blow his fu%king head off.Have had one for years.
You can buy one of those at the Family Center down the road from my house in Versailles MO.
Epic, I want one.
Awesome times infinity plus one.
… Because having your 3-year-old daughter blow her brains out is the definition of “awesome”.
F**k you. You shouldn’t own a gun.
(well, honestly no one should but especially not YOU)
1. Guns can be locked.
2. You don’t know how high off the ground that is.
3. DOORS can be locked.
4. Kids can be taught not to play with guns. Take them outside, put a watermelon on the ground, and shoot it. Make sure that they know just how dangerous it really is to own a gun.
Awww, who am I kidding; there’s no chance that I can convince a hopolophobe like you; you’re intrinsically afraid of guns, and no amount of evidence will be able to change your mind. *pats your head* Go on, go play elsewhere before you blow a blood vessel, and/or pee your pants in sheer fear of us ‘big mean gun owners’.
Before you pat them on the head, make sure they’re wearing their special helmet to protect their soft heads
This is a bedside gun rack. Unless this is used on an upper bunk, pretty sure we do know how high of the ground it will be.
However, points one and four are solid. The problem isn’t guns, it’s idiots owning guns.
Plus, needing to have your gun that nearby when you sleep means that if you gotta use it, it better be ready (unlocked and loaded) if the time comes to shoot someone in the face, no time to get the key, the bullets, load it, then shoot the guy. And that means “keeping an unlocked and loaded gun within reach of children”, and THAT is very stupid indeed.
Still a locked door. Also, unless they don’t yet understand general speech yet, children can and should be taught about the danger of guns. I know several people who were taught from an early age that guns are NOT toys, and the dangers of them, and how to use them properly. Never had any problems.
Sorry but most people how own them think it’s the feraligatring toy, so i fail to see how they would teach children that it’s not a toy.
Dande, just because you are incapable of learning doesn’t mean a child isn’t. If you show them the firearm (unloaded of course) and let them know about it you take the curiosity away. I have many friends with guns and children and I’m sure those kids knew more about firearms at 8 years-old than you ever will.
It mounts so the gun is alongside your bed (what you see attached to the wall vertically here mounts horizontally to your bed frame or between your box springs and mattress). How high off the ground is your bed?
*shrugs* Still have locked doors, and safety training.
Grow up and stop worrying about hypothetical situations involving people who don’t give a damn about what you think.
No, F**K YOU for thinking its okay for children to DIE because their a**hole parents are too STUPID to realize that a GUN IS A F**KING WEAPON!
YOu f**king c*nt.
Wow, you really are ignorant.
*nods* He is. This is a person who is pathologically afraid of guns; there is no reasoning with him.
I just think it’s funny how many curse words he has to use to try and get his point across.
Well everyone knows, the more you curse, the bigger man you are!
>.>
<.<
I think he's compensating for a small… manhood =P
(Sorry, couldn't pass that one up, not after he flung the same accusations at gun enthusiasts several times over X3 )
Why don’t you come over to my place and find out about my “manhood”, Maulkin… And choke on it.
Ah, and now you are adding threats of a perverted nature to your repertoire of stupidity. At least you have variety…
Oh, and if you ever did try to have sex with me, it would be rape. And do you know what I do with rapists?
I shoot them.
So, you go ahead and try, bucko. I might be gay, but all you’re gonna get from me is hot, steamy LEAD at high velocities.
Ah, and now you are adding threats of a perverted nature to your repertoire of stupidity. At least you have variety…
Oh, and if you ever did try to have s*x with me (stupid word filter), it would be r*pe. And do you know what I do with r*pists?
I shoot them.
So, you go ahead and try, bucko. I might be g*y, but all you’re gonna get from me is hot, steamy LEAD at high velocities.
Haha, again, you’re so cute! For a troll, I mean.
Idiot. ALL gun owners realize they are weapons. That’s why then own them. They want weapons with which to defend themselves and their families with. THEIR families, which you have no jurisdiction over. THEIR children, not yours, not the state’s. It’s up to them, NOT YOU, to decide how best to handle their weapons, and their children. You don’t like it? TOUGH! It’s none of your business anyway.
One could say the exact same thing about parents who molest their children.
No… it can’t. There’s a huge difference between owning a gun and it being no one’s business, and molesting your child and it being no one’s business. And if you can’t see that, I hope you never have kids (or guns).
Sorry, I should’ve been clearer. I’m not talking about owning guns. I’m talking about the argument/defence that it being your children and your families permit you to handle them however you please. If I believe your home environment or your way of handling your children is harmful to them, then that is indeed my — as in society’s — business. Again, I’m not talking specifically about owning guns; I’m talking about the premise that it is your children and hence none of anyone’s business. The argument is not sound.
Oh definitely… but sometimes that’s a fine line to draw. Some things are obviously harmful, while other things might be harmful to one person but only bad parenting to another. At what point is it anyone’s business but the family’s? Certainly when the child is harmed, but what about the gray areas? How transparent should a household be? Do you think society, as it functions now, does a good enough job of balancing parenting privacy with child safety?
(Just curious! Personally, I think there are WAAAAAY too many kids being molested and/or killed in the world… but what’s the best way to prevent that while still trusting the parent to be the parent, if that makes sense?)
Regarding balancing privacy: I honestly don’t know. Suppose, as a thought experiment, that every cube inch of the world was monitored by cameras and computers which somehow automatically detect child abuse. This would have a preventative effect on a lot of abuse, and the remaining abuse would be stopped immediately. No more cases where children are abused for years without anyone noticing. The cost of course would be completely giving up any notion of privacy.
Now, I value my privacy as much as anyone, but it seems to me that the right thing to do would be to give up my privacy for the profound benefit of all these children, much like the right thing to do on the bus is to give up my seat for the 90-year-old person or that pregnant woman who really needs it. More so even, I’d say, since these children are totally helpless. Yet, I’m not convinced that I would be willing to do that. Do I really value my privacy more than the well-being of these kids? Is privacy that valuable? Why?
And yeah, gray areas. I don’t think it’s possible to draw a line with which everyone is happy for the reason you give. That’s how policies and morals or ethics work, though, isn’t it? They develop and change over time along with society. Like how we’ve given up some freedom and privacy for security after 9/11. In time, as the perceived threat from terrorism subsides, we might revert and trade some of that security back for increased freedom and privacy again.
I can’t really comment on whether society does a good enough job right now, cause I really don’t know much about it. As far as I know children are only followed up after someone gets suspicious. Some parents might be offended by the thought, but I think it might be a good idea to follow up ALL children. Something like regular talks with a qualified teacher or someone else who they get to know well over time. Someone they’ll trust and open up to. It’s not meant solely to detect abuse, but more generally to make sure everything is alright and that they are they get a chance to talk about anything that might be bothering them.
It’s not that I don’t trust the average parent, but there are bad seeds and they’ll only be caught if someone on the outside notices. We can wait and hope for that to happen by chance, or we can put it into a more structured and reliable system.
Secondly, even if the parents are good people who do their best, they might not be qualified to fully understand and comprehend how the child is doing. Maybe the child simply doesn’t think to alert them in any way that something is wrong, and so the parents will be none the wiser… Parents don’t go around probing their children in an attempt to discover whether they are being abused, but a qualified person would be able to specifically check for that and other things.
As an example, a girl I know was sexually abused by her uncle during her early teens. I don’t know exactly how long it went on or how it was uncovered, but it did go on and the parents didn’t realize. As a result of the abuse (presumably), she has suffered from serious depressions, attempted suicide, flunked out of and restarted high school two or three times, been addicted to hard drugs, and developed a… well, “abnormal”, I guess, relationship to sex and to people in general. If there had been a system in place for following up all children, even seemingly healthy ones, then I’ll bet this would have been uncovered sooner and the effects minimized.
The girl I mentioned is doing better now, btw
u 12?
He is 12 years old and he does not know what this is. :V
I can cut your throat with a butter knife. should we make kids spread their jelly with their fingers so they dont hurt themselves? or teach them not to cut peoples throats?
You shouldn’t be allowed to breed if you cant teach your kid to leave the damn thing alone.
You must have REALLY long armed 3 year olds where you come from for them to be able to shoot themselves with a shotgun.
Around here, if a three year old ( after mustering the skill and strength to rack the slide on a shotgun) can put their finger on a trigger, the barrel is too long to point at themselves..
But of course, thinking is not your specialty or you would have known that.
U never know when savage deer will attack in the night.
for weak fearful people only.
You mean weak, fearful people with 12 gauge shotguns.
If you’re afraid enough to need your shotgun that close within reach, you are either clinically paranoid or correct (or both).
OR you’re not so clinically afraid of guns that you feel the urge to mock anyone who keeps it in arm’s reach. There’s also that option.
F**k you idiot.
It’s the NRAtards that are the fearful ones here, not us!
WE don’t walk around with big guns and small… You knows.
Grow the f**k up. You don’t need your stupid “toys”, put on your big boy pants and stop acting like p*ssies.
Oh? Tell me, do you have a wife? Or a girlfriend? Tell me, if she was being raped by someone bigger than you, what would you prefer to have in your hand?
A cell phone, which can get officers at your house in, at the very minimum, 10 minutes?
Or a gun, which can get the offender full of hot led in roughly 3 seconds?
Oh, and guns? They’re fun to shoot stuff with. You grow the f*** up if you just can’t stand those big mean guys with their big loud guns having fun.
Let’s see…
Ad-hominem, red-herring, ad-hominem, ad-hominem…
Tell me, do you have anything else to support your argument? You know, besides argument fallacies and vitriol?
Say, how’s Gabrielle Giffords doing after being shot in the head by an insane leftist? Yes, it’s the right who are the only ones off their rockers. The left are totally sane and the only people on this planet who are in their right minds.
Guns don’t kill people. They’ve never grown legs and gone off to shoot people on their own.
But hey. Columbia is a good reason as to why people shouldn’t be allowed to have guns, right? No-one else on the campus brought a gun that day because it was illegal. That made it much safer for the guy who did and that’s a plus, right?
Ehhh… Not sure that the ‘insane leftist’ was really leftist – he seemed to be all over the place as far as his politics are concerned.
And, after all, rabid dogs don’t have political parties.
Dude, up yours.
Laughlin was one of YOURS, you right-wing d-bag. Own up to it.
Lessee… He hated Palin, he thought 9/11 was an inside job, he was a pot smoker, he hated religion… One of his suspected youtube videos was of him setting the American flag on fire… And, egad, one of his favorite books is the Communist Manifesto!
But, of course, you’re right, “Again” – he must be an ebil Repugnican and a teabagger, because you so passionately and hand-wringingly say so! How silly of me to rely on things like ‘facts’ when the almighty “Again” has spoken!
It’s bad when you say “I hate ________ because they are democrat/republican.”
It’s even worse when you say “I hate _________ therefore they must be democrat/republican”
i agree, guns don’t kill people, and with the logic that they [guns] do kill people then that means that forks make people big, and my shoes are the reason i can’t run quickly. people own them because they guarantee defense from an intruder.
You want statistics, a**hole?
Bradycampaign.org
Do the f**king homework yourself, you lazy f**king Repuke.
I have. As it turns out, the most violent places in the US have high gun control (generally), whereas the most peaceful places have high gun ownership and low gun control. Places like Britain and France, while having lower rates of violence than the US in general (generally only in murder, however – they still have higher rates of other crimes than the US as a whole), still have higher rates of crime than the gun-toting states.
But hey, this isn’t really for you. You’ve already shown that you have no capacity to change your mind, no ability to listen to reason. This is for those who sit on the fence. And when they see how you are acting, and being rebutted calmly and rationally by a gun-rights advocate… Well, they might just change their mind.
^^^
This
… is Bullsh*t.
Do I have to finish your sentences too, you idiot?
Oh my, you sure changed my mind with that carefully worded argument! I haven’t a leg to stand on, now! Clearly I am dealing with a master of logic and rhetoric…
US city with greatest number of murders by handgun last year — Chicago
City in which it is illegal to even own a handgun — Chicago
Your arguments are invalid. ‘nuf said
WRONG.
Those guns come from other parts of the US… You can’t claim that Chicago’s gun control laws don’t work unless ALL of the US has the same exact gun control laws, so guns don’t filter in from other parts where they are (sadly) legal…
You can cut the NRA sh*t out now.
So, how would you prevent anyone from owning guns, hmm? Should the military fight with sticks and knives? Should the cops use strong language?
Again; banning guns do not work. Why? Because honest citizens will obey the laws… but criminals will not. They will hoard up their guns before the ban, they will steal guns from those who can own guns (police, military personelle, etc), they will get factory rejected parts from unscrupulous employees who work at gun manufacturing plants, and, push come to shove, they will just MAKE their own guns. Again, not hard.
Oh, and even if somehow all the guns in the hands of criminals magically ‘poofed’ away? They’d just use knives. Knives, which leave messier wounds, which are almost impossible to hear, which can be wielded by big strong psychopaths but NOT by relatively weak, nubile women…
You won’t solve the problem by banning guns.
“which can be wielded by big strong psychopaths but NOT by relatively weak, nubile women…”
I’ve been a gun owner and competitive shooter most of my life and to be honest, I’ve never really thought of it like that before. Props!
Heh, guns are the great equalizer. Barring insanely large caliber rounds/heavy guns, men and women can generally wield them with equal proficiency, as they don’t require much strength or endurance to wield.
“Stop…Or I’ll yell ‘Stop’ Again!”
~The Unarmed Security Officer creed!
Citing a website for statistics which intentionally distorts the facts is not going to help your case.
The overwhelming majority of times that a firearm is used to prevent a crime, no shots are fired. The Brady Bunch presumes that anytime a crime is stopped there is a dead body and NO arrest. They lie, plain and simple.
The Left is so very sane
WE aren’t the ones hiding in our trailers with GUNS, f**ker…
WE get out and actually have lives!
Go eat more Walmart twinkies and shoot yer f**king gun out the door again, you piece of sh*t. It’s what make you a “May-un”
Aw don’t cry, it’ll be OK.
man i love reading your posts they are verry funny…. you want to here some truth?(i know you really dont but listen any way) in Sweden any one at a certian age as long as they have not commited a great crime is given a gun and is properly trained in the use of that weapon… if i remember correctly they have had maybe 5 i repeat 5 murders in the past couple of decades…. and here is a question for you… which case seems better? The world where guns are outlawed so that criminals(ppl who dont care about breaking the law) are the only ones to have guns and will do what ever they please with them or the world where every one who doesnt have a felony is proper trained in the use of that weapon and can carry it and be able to stop criminals with it????
I’m moving to Sweden. =_=
Guns, meatballs, supermodels…
Lol… Yeah, I can just imagine these morons living in the old days, complaining about people owning swords / bows to defend themselves. It’s the same principle.
The funny part is, most of the gun owners I know are Dems that voted for Obama, myself included. This guy is retarded and gives the rest of us a bad name. ;(
Heh, that’s the funny thing about gun rights – hard to tell what side of the aisle the advocates are on. Now, there is a bit of a trend, but still.
I do hope you’ll vote for someone more gun-friendly next time, though… I assume you had other reasons for voting for him, reasons that compensate for his anti-gun stance?
I felt he was the lesser of evils. I do kind of regret it, but I was afraid of a certain old man dying and a certain young woman taking his place, if you know what I mean.
Heh, well, Palin is a decent politician, imho, I just think that the media went out of its way to portray her as an idiot. I mean, come on – how many people have heard the phrase “I can see Russia from my house!”, and how many people have heard Obama talking about the 57 states? Everyone has their off days, but the media is selective about who they show the negative on, and who they show only positive…
Though, to be honest, I wasn’t much of a fan of McCain. If he’d been in a right-wing state, he’d have been considered a liberal – he’s what we call a “RINO”, or “Republican In Name Only”. It may have been best for Conservatives that Obama got elected; he is one of the most far left presidents we’ve ever had, and the way he shoehorned the healthcare bill through despite popular disapproval (‘it’s for our own good’, after all =P) really vindicated the conservative’s problems with liberal policies.
I guess you might say Obama has become some of the best PR the conservatives have had in a long time =P
Ah, an anti-gun person with the ol’ “only weak and/or fearful people need guns” argument. Was waiting for one of you to show up! You people are funny.
Yup. They always seem to falter at the question: Which is faster, a call to 911 or a bullet?
A call to 911 would be useful when your kid accidentally shoots one of his little friends because you don’t store your gun safely.
They ‘shoot one of their friends’ because the parents didn’t teach their kids about guns and made the guns forbidden fruit. I mean, hell – if I really wanted to get at anything my parents had, I could get them, locked or not. It’s irresponsible parenting that’s to fault, not the gun rack.
Kids are much, much, MUCH more likely to die from falling into pools than by guns.
BAN POOLS.
*bows*
now i’m not anti-gun, i’ll just say that much. but hell if you think you need a loaded 12 gauge by your bed, i would invest in a better door and some window bars. perhaps some claymores. remember, front toward enemy.
I’m sure they’re legal in Texas.
“now i’m not anti-gun, i’ll just say that much. but hell if you think you need a loaded 12 gauge by your bed, i would invest in a better door and some window bars. perhaps some claymores. remember, front toward enemy.”
Depending on the area, barred doors and windows may be considered a fire hazard, and claymores as boobytraps are outright illegal (and often claymores are, themselves, illegal).
Also, a better door is only so effective… If they can pick or break the lock, it doesn’t matter how strong the door is.
Oh, and guns are often cheaper, and protect more than one entryway.
There is another argument to this, that dosen’t go down well in the US. Elevated risk. If you can prevent someone coming into your house, nobody gets shot.
The police did a study of shootout type situation in the US vs. the UK. They found that the UK police would close the street, evacuate nearby buildings, and have a minimum of bodies in sight of a possible shooter. The US police did nothing to lower the risk involved, this meant that the outcome was much more likely to be death for a shooter in the US.
Why is this? US people like to shoot things?
Link to this study, please? Because police often evacuate places with dangerous people in them, and will bar it off.
Also, it may also be a difference in tactics – many schools will lock-down rather than evacuate. That is, they will lock the doors, turn off the lights, and hide under the desks.
While people in the US do tend to like shooting things (targets, old appliances, animals, etc – things that are okay to shoot), they don’t like shooting *people*. It seems to be a matter of different tactics rather than different attitudes in regards to shoot-outs.
As a former firefighter…let me just say, barred windows kill people all the time because it prevents escape.
I dunno. If you are so convinced that there are threats you need to protect yourself from that you need to have a gun within arm’s reach at all times, even when lying in bed, I’d say that’s pretty fearful.
Let’s see…
Leave it in the living room? Nope, intruder may see it and use it against you.
Leave it in the kitchen? Same problem, and you probably have to pass the crook to get to it.
Leave it in the hallway? Same problem, again.
Leave it in the kids room? The answer should be obvious.
Leave it in the basement? Again, stupid idea, can’t get to it in time.
If you’re gonna have a gun, it’s best to have it right next to where you sleep so you can have it on hand when you need it. And, well, better safe than sorry.
After all, I never hear people say “I dunno. If you are so convinced that driving is so dangerous that you have to have redundant safety measures – seat belts, crumple zones, airbags, etc – surrounding you every time you drive, I’d say that’s pretty fearful”. Why? Because being safe doesn’t cost as much as being unsafe *once*.
^^^^^^^^
AAAAND This
You fail horribly at logic.
Well, don’t leave me hanging. Go on and qualify your argument.
Caution =/= fear. After all, you’re probably not going to be involved in a car wreck any given day, but, again, it just takes once for the seatbelt to prove its worth. Likewise, you’re probably not gonna be subject to a burglary every night, but if you are you want your gun ready. Not in the kitchen, not in the living room, not in the kids room… you want it in your hands so you can defend yourself, your property, and your loved ones.
Truth hurts, doesn’t it you NRAtard?
Oh, and you still have a small c*ck. Deal with it.
God your mother did a job on you!
As someone who has had to use deadly force on an intruder to protect my family, there is nothing you can say that will a.) hurt my feelings; b.) change my mind about the need to carry a concealed weapon; c.) arm myself in my own home; or d.) lead me to believe you are anything but a pent-up, tree-hugging, father-humping, diaper-wearing, didn’t-quit-nursing-till-you-were-18 mama’s boy who is afraid of his own shadow. Now piss off and crawl back to your mama’s tit, you worthless example of why siblings shouldn’t marry.
You know what? Take your f**king gun and suck it off like the b*tch you are, a**hole…
You have NO RIGHT to talk like that to me because I stated my f**king opinion!
Oh, and it was YOUR parents who were sibling, you f**ktard.
Your intelligence is astounding. Where did you learn so many words?
And it’s adorable, the way he tries to string them together coherently… He fails utterly, of course, but it’s still cute ^.^
I especially like all the asterisks.
You are a man of few words.
Hahahahah
Pot.kettle…
Just sayin’…
XD You suck at arguing.
You have the perfect moniker. Your posts make the corner stall at a Waffle House look like Barnes and Noble and women who are knowledgeable in the use of firearms hermaphrodites.
WTF does that even mean, you jacka**?
I know you redneck gun c*nts like to pretend you’re intelligent, but seriously… You’re NOT.
Dropping out of school in the 8th grade is NOT something to be proud of, and neither is your f**king piece of sh*t 70s pickup truck.
You fail at life.
A moniker is a nickname. In this case, an avatar. I just try to mix it up a bit, as not to be boring. Or maybe you were referring to hermaphrodite, which is a person with both sets of genitalia. If you don’t know what genitalia means, it’s a c*ck and a c*nt.
No a**hole, I KNOW WHAT A MONIKER/AVATAR IS!
I’m talking about your Waffle House gibberish, what the f**k is THAT supposed to mean?
Oh, and FYI Waffle House is ANTI-GUN. They have signs all around and everything (*saw those when I went there a week ago with my friend for breakfast, FYI)
I was just trolling you. Can’t help it. I’m an a**hole. I’m talking about a corner stall, not a booth. Stall: n. 1. a compartment within a building accessible to the general public which surrounds a toilet 2. a convenient area of a public restroom to display profanity
And to borrow from Jim Gaffigan, “Here’s something you’ll never hear at a Waffle House…’Hey, nice job cleaning!’ ”
And before you go telling me your loved ones work at Waffle House, know that everyone gets picked on a little bit. We all want to be treated equally, but don’t want to be made fun of equally. I feel special because out of your eleventy kajillion posts, you chose me twice. Thanks Again.
Really? That’s odd… I could have sworn I graduated high school. And got an associated degree in accounting. And am working on a degree in programming. But I guess that was all just some elaborate hallucination. Thanks for setting me straight, “Again”.
Me too Maul…And I am pretty sure I am driving a 95 Chevy Lumina. I only use a 70′s truck to haul trash.
Here, have some rubber toy to chew on.
Big words make your head hurt?
I wont sit here and be accused of having a c*ck.
oh, man, that was EPIC! I think I broke a rib laughing! Thanks for making my day!
That was worth waiting for.
I don’t understand how this is a WTF?
I’ve seen infomercials for this! I think it’s pretty badass.
Haha, really?? What state do you live in?
An AWESOME one, probably =P
A perpetual state of fear and paranoia (duh!)
+1
That’s the thing; with a gun in easy reach, you AREN’T afraid.
Would you consider someone fearful or paranoid just because they use the seat belt every time they drive? Of course not. It’s a safety measure, and using it has become routine. Likewise, having a gun beside oneself when in bed is routine for some people, and it’s a matter of “better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it”.
There’s no fear about it. There’s caution, and there’s precaution, but no fear or paranoia.
Um, seat belts aren’t designed to KILL PEOPLE, you f**king c*nttard.
You make up words.
It’s funny.
And guns, when used and operated by a responsible citizen (which you clearly are not, “Again”) are used as a means to defend oneself from those who would do you harm. In the sense that they are designed to keep you safe on the off chance that you’ll be in danger, the analogy still stands.
But nice red-herring, there. It’s good to see that you still have the hang of that fallacy.
god bless america
Here’s a better idea:
GROW UP AMERICA!
Join the civilized world, quit your wars of conquest, lose the guns, and stop being a bunch of overweight HOGS and a**holes for once.
Oh, and there is no god. Deal with it.
Wars of conquest? Odd, I don’t recall us taking over a country recently at all… When Afghanistan or Iraq become the 51st (or 52nd, depending on how ambitious we are), you go ahead and tell me, alright?
Overweight hogs? Yes, we should… However, with government subsidizing various unhealthy industries, it is a consumer’s best economic choice to buy from those industries.
A**holes? Dear me, you’ve added “Pot and Kettle” argument to your list of fallacies! Bravo!
And as for owning guns… Sorry, but there’s nothing wrong with owning guns. You don’t like it? Tough. You can go ahead and continue living in your own country. And if you get mugged/robbed/raped/murdered, why, I’m sure you’ll take comfort in your sanctimonious position of your supposed moral superiority.
Here’s a thought: stay the f**k out of America and you won’t get a case of the s**ts everytime someone mentions a gun. I’d take my guns, personal hygiene, dental hygiene, and education over your little two-bit POS country any day of the week. Now go floss that cockhair out of your teeth before you hurt yourself.
Okay, your modus operandi is to insult those who don’t agree with you (generally by saying they have small penises) and calling them fat a**holes. So, before you tell a nation to grow up…
PULL THE LOG FROM YOUR OWN EYE.
“If the c*ck fits SUCK IT”
- Maulkin
*listens to the sound of continued scraping*
You done digging a hole for yourself yet? I think you’re gonna hit bedrock soon…
Soon?
He’s been picking at the adminium for days.
The funny thing is, I don’t even have to misquote you to make you look like a jackass. I just choose not to do so.
Trolls are the best.
You are just mad cause we do it better that you
Eh? I haven’t really been using ad-hominem… Well, except for against “Again”, but hey – if he’s just gonna ignore everything I say and respond with “GO SUCK A D***, YOU EFFING REPUKE!”, well…
What else can I do but pat his head and express my delight that he’s able to string sentences together, as mentally handicapped as he is? ^.^
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1902096
The Smoking Gun showed this months ago. It was an interesting commercial tho.
Oh for f**k sake.
You know what? No, f**k this. We’re DONE with you NRA c*nts and your f**king whining and b*tching about your f**king “rights”.
F**K YOU AND F**K YOUR “RIGHTS”.
I’m tired of kids DYING because you have to have something to make your stupid f**king D*CK bigger you a**holes.
If you HAVE to have a gun PUT IT IN YOUR OWN MOUTH AND PULL YOU F**KING PIECES OF SH*T.
F**k… Seriously though, when are we going to take these f**king things away from the idiots?
Amazing the amount of projecting you do.
Guess what? I’m gay. And I’m a bottom. And I’m a bottom. So the size of my cock? Doesn’t matter to me.
Also, look at some crime statistics, if you really wanna see what places are safer. I’ll give you a hint – it’s not in places where guns are allowed and accepted.
Oh, and here’s the thing… If we have guns and you don’t… guess who’ll get their way, push comes to shove? I’ll give you another hint – it won’t be the people with rocks and sticks.
So you’re gay. So what?
So you admit that places that allow guns and where they are accepted are the unsafe places…. Well it’s a start.
You really need to re-evaluate your take on guns.
Sorry, mis-spoke there. Meant to say that the places where guns are allowed and accepted ARE safer. It’s places where the general population isn’t allowed to own guns and/or doesn’t want to where you see the greatest crime. Why? Because the criminals aren’t stopped by social values or laws, and they get the guns anyway.
Don’t pop a blood vessel, jeeze…
Oh, yeah I should just sit down, stay silent, and let gun crimes send more people to their graves, right jackson?
Again, F**K THAT.
You NRA-Holes don’t care a f**k about anyone, just your god damn guns and your f**king so-called-”right to a gun” (which you technically DON’T have, but I don’t want to get into that sh*t again) so you can act like you don’t have a 2-inch pen*s in your overblown cheap-a**ed walmart pants. Whoo f**king hoo, you’re a BIG MAN NOW cuz yall got a GUUUUUUN n’ you gunna show them lib-rulz cuz they all a buncha COMMIES huh?
I want to see a complete BAN on guns and watch you P*SSIES either give up like the B*TCHES you are or ** try ** to fight that “big, bad redneck revolution” you’ve been talking about for decades – and get OWNED LIKE A F**KING B*TCHES, because you fat f**ks can’t even walk around the god damned walmart, let alone fight the best trained military in the HISTORY OF THE F**KING WORLD… Not even on your BEST day and in your OWN F**KING BACKYARD!
Go ahead – Talk your s**t, BRING IT ON, and you’ll get RAPED ten ways to Sunday… And you’ll DESERVE IT! Oh, and the south will NEVER rise again you redneck f**ks LOL
You know, I read some stats lately which mentioned that the law abiding hunters of just four of out states would comprise the 4th largest army on Earth…
Also, the fight would never happen. No responsible military commander would be willing to violate the oath we took upon entry to the service.
So I can’t be passionate about my cause now?
Why, are you offended? GOOD!
I get sick every time I see an A**HOLE with a gun!
You ought to see a doctor about that then.
Does that include soldiers and cops you ignorant tw@??? If so, Don’t call for either!
Soldiers and cops have a REASON to have guns on duty!
You f**king stupid-as-sh*t f*ckwit.
Oh, so they have a reason to end the life of someone who’s, say, abusing a woman, or threatening them with a weapon, or other such things?
Funny how you think that’s okay for cops, but not for the common man… I mean, it’s almost as if you think one group of people has more rights than another… Kinda like the Nazi’s did, allowing only party members to own guns…
(Oh, and before anyone Godwins me – he’s been accusing all of us of being Nazis for a long time now.)
said the Nazi
not you JacksonDivilBliss. The one above you.
Nazis are RIGHT WING you f**ktard c*nt…
….No? They were authoritarian and somewhat socialist, the very opposite of ‘right wing’. Shall I list the ways they are not like current right-wingers?
1. One of the things the Nazi’s did was institute gun control laws – especially against the people they were trying to repress. Why? Because an armed group of people is so much harder to exterminate than an unarmed group of people.
2. The Nazi party stood for “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. Nothing right-wing about socialism, sorry. And, yes, it was very much a socialistic form of government (at least, in the ways that the Right care about) – the government controlled production, and if you tried to make something they didn’t want or didn’t make enough of what they wanted, well, you disappeared. This is very much COUNTER to the Right’s desire for a free, non-government-controlled market.
3. Conservatives tend to not like government control of speech. For example, most of the Republicans voted against the McCain Feingold act ( http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/107/senate/2/votes/54/ ).
So, how exactly are the Right like Nazis, exactly? Because they don’t want government to endorse gay marriage? Because they don’t want babies to be killed via abortion? Sorry, but that’s a far cry from the atrocities and debasement of human rights that the Nazi’s committed.
Soooo, you’re a gay man… Who is a Repuke.
You f**king Uncle Tom!
You DO realize that the right hates us gays, right?
No. The Right don’t hate g-a-y-s, not by-and-large (there are always the odd fringes like Fred Phelps, but they are, again, fringes, not the majority of ‘the right’). The right just don’t like government telling them that they HAVE to accept g-a-y people as married, and that their churches can be sued because they won’t perform marriages for gay couples. I’ve actually received more hate and vitriol from the left over being right-wing than I have from conservatives over being g-a-y. Indeed, I have yet to personally meet someone who hates me for being g-a-y…
But hey. Don’t let these little things called ‘facts’ break you out of your bigotry and hatred.
No, they are not. Look up the name of the Nazi party – the full name, of which “Nazi” is a German abbreviation…
Right wing in terms of military policy perhaps, but they did ever so love their restricting of guns.
And decide who would work where, and how much of what you’d have to make, and, well, pretty much every other thing they did was more leftist than rightist in nature…
So, basically, because they had an expansionist and conquering military policy (something that ‘the right’ don’t even really have – we haven’t made colonies of Iraq or Afghanistan, after all, even if we are more willing to go to war than the left), the left have no problem labeling the Nazis as ‘right wing’.
Ain’t bias grand?
It seems “crying Hitler” is too tempting for people to admit that neither the Republican or Democratic party has “Kill millions of Jews” in their mission statement, thus rendering most comparisons irrelevant.
I guess its okay for Republicans to kill millions of IRAQUIS because they’re not Jews then, is that what you’re saying C*ntface?
*yawns* Tell me when you stop living in fantasy land, k? It’s amusing, but arguing with a stoner is only so entertaining.
TANGENT OUT OF F******NOWHERE.
Blame Haliburton and you’ll get a COMBO!
WOOO! Another Red Herring!
I’d consider making a drinking game out of this, but I think our livers would die before the end of the night…
Wait, hang on, lemme beat you to it, “Again” –
“Hurr hur duuuurrrr, you SHOULD do it and kill yourself, a***s! SUCK MY C*CK REPUGS!!!”
It really is amusing how predictable you can be.
If you dont like the rights we have….leave. Go buy an island an live there…where you get to make the rules.
And remember “He who would give up freedom for security deserves neither”.
UMAD BRO????
Neigh, why would anyone be mad? I have a horse.
Tell me, Mr. Moron Troll, exactly what is your system of belief? There’s no way a normal person could be such square-minded and all ‘RAGE AGAINST AMERICA FUUUUUUUUU’ as the mere mention of guns… What? Did some relative of yours die because of guns? I hope I’m not touching a sensible nerve at that. Chill out, man.
Again, the silly idea that a gun represents a sex organ.
Tell me, who is sicker, the man who wants to have a sex organ, or the person who wants to remove sex organs?
I Want
Problem?
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PROBLEM, GUNHATERS? *coolfaces*
“I don’t even have A gun. Let alone enough to necessitate an entire rack.”
-Wayne’s World
Gun nuts = always good for a laugh!
USA ! USA !
Again, why aren’t we banning these god damn things?
IT’S F**KING 2011 FOR F**K SAKE!
We have police, cameras, f**k even have drones – WHY DO THE F**KING IDIOTS STILL HAVE F**KING GUNS?
To protect ourselves from crazy bastards like you, isn’t that obvious?
Oh, and again –
Police cars travel 50-60 miles per hour, and have to travel 5-10 miles, generally.
Bullets travel several hundred feet per second, and have to cross the distance of a room.
Which do you think will catch the mugger/thief/predator first?
So, which would you rather have on hand when your loved one is being threatened by a deranged sociopath – a gun, or a phone?
Phonegun.
*gets out his welding torch*
MUAHAHAHAHAHHAH
Naw, you need to have it be disguised as something that a thief wouldn’t try to take from you.
Just let them try to take my phonegun.
*RINGRING*
It’s for you.
*BLAM!*
Do snipers have to pay long distance charges?
*giggles uncontrollably* You guys are horrible X3
Reminds me of the scene in Law Abiding Citizen. He kills the judge by turning her cell phone into a gun.
You DO know that “mugger/theif/predators” ARE STILL HUMANS DON’T YOU?
You can’t play “judge/jury/executioner” with them, period!
I know you NRAtards have that little “blow em away” fantasy and all but GET REAL HERE. You’re killing a HUMAN BEING, not plugging a guy on TV who will get up at the commercial break.
DEAD IS FOREVER
Is that REALLY worth your f**king TV set?
idk the criminal should have thought of that before trying to steal it
Who cares about a TV set? I’m more worried about my wife or daughter getting raped and/or killed.
If you wouldn’t kill someone trying to kill a loved one… well, I feel sorry for your “loved” ones.
Stop being a douche-nozzle and putting words into people’s mouths. Not all gun owners are alike, though apparently your ignorance prevents you from realizing that. The fact that you believe that every gun owner is an “NRAtard” with “blow em away fantasies” is laughable at best.
Wait, wait, lemme get this straight…
There is a stranger in your house. You have no idea if he’s armed or not, no idea of his intent… your children/parents are sleeping in the other room… Only thing you know for sure is that he has completely disregarded your own rights to be secure in your possessions and safe in your house.
And you’re advocating that we just lay down and take it??
I seriously hope you are never put into a position where you have to defend your family. I might not care about you, but as far as I know your family is innocent – it’d be horrible if they were to be killed/assaulted because of your cowardice.
No, you call 911 and have the POLICE deal with the perp.
It’s 2011. The Wild West is OVER dude.
And, in the five minutes (at least) that it takes them to get over there, should you politely stand by while you or your loved ones get killed? Or, what, run? Then the thief will just grow more cocky, and go victimize another family – that is, if he doesn’t kill you and your loved ones first.
The ‘wild west’ is over, but people are defending themselves every day with guns. The evil is still there, and it must constantly be fought.
The saying is true; when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away!
Violence is never over, and if you pretend it is you subject yourself to it.
I figure I can wait 10-15 minutes for the police to come and take pictures of a horrible, violent crime scene which I may not have survived…
Or I can wait for the coroner to come pick up the ventilated corpse of whatever goblin decided it would be a good idea to threaten the well-being of my loved ones.
Is it worth your life? When you are threatened, you have a right to respond to that threat. If a guy is waving a gun at you, you don’t have the luxury of an intense philosophical debate over whether or not he would use that weapon, and whether or not that justifies firing in return.
You need to end the situation as quickly as possible, and if the guy gets shot, well it’s his damned fault for coming at you waving a gun.
actually according to law in most states you can. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
So, how is that any different from a police officer making the same choice to use deadly force? It’s really the same thing, you know, the officer is faced with someone intent on killing someone. The officer has seconds to make the choice of whether or not to use deadly force.
In Oregon, the police are constrained by the same use of force laws as the public in general. In other words, they can only use it if the person they are using it on is using or threatening to use, deadly or dangerous physical force on the officer or a third person.
So is the cop any different than a private citizen when protecting himself? Or does the cop, somehow, get a greater right to defend himself from being killed than everyone else?
And the mugger/thief/predators couldn’t care less about the judge/jury. But if I am the victim I know for a fact who the criminal is and if my life is in danger I will use what ever force I have to protect MY life, MY FAMILY’S life, because they mean more to me that the life of that worthless piece of excrement who means to harm us!
I am protecting us, he is threatening us. This is the meaning of good guy/bad guy. The bad guy has a choice, leave me and my family alone or risk being killed in the commission of a crime because in the United States of America the law abiding citizen has the right to be safe against criminals.
It’s obvious to me you value the life of armed criminals more than an armed or unarmed citizen. It’s also obvious you hate the country you live in and seeing how I love it, I couldn’t care less what you think.
for police it takes time to get to the seen of the crime in that time people could be killed or the assailent have had left, cameras are only good if they are being watched and drones… well ill admit the only drones i know of are un armed military drones so not much help in this case…. why do people (or in your terms “idiots”) have guns… well that is a simple answer… cops arent always there in time cameras are not all ways around and criminals could care less most of the time if you call the cops because by the time cops get there they are gone…. go figure people who actually want to be able to protect them selves
“i’d rather face the cat than live the rest of my life in the bird cages”
Oh, and to you GUN OWNERS:
I want you to know that EVERY DROP OF BLOOD ON THE STREETS IS ON YOUR HANDS, you selfish pr*ck a**holes.
EVERY TIME A PERSON DIES YOU BEAR THE STIGMA OF IT BY ALLOWING GUNS TO BE ON THE STREETS.
Sleep well, you god damned f**king c*nts. Another child is dead in the streets from a gun show wound because your d*ck wasn’t big enough for your sister.
Yawn.
Heh. Tell me about it.
For those of you who aren’t apparently delusional and delirious, consider this: Criminals are going to get weapons anyway. It’s easy enough to make guns, and if they are not available on the open market, well, they’ll just start selling them on the black market.
Result?
Citizens can’t own guns, can’t get guns, can’t have a gun in their home without being labeled a criminal… While the real criminals have no fear of citizens. Sure, you can call the police, but that’s not much help when your wife is being brutalized by someone who just shot you in the stomach.
If you want to see what gun control does, just take a look at Columbine, or any other school shooting. Odds are, it’s a crime to even bring a gun onto the campus where those crimes happened… But the law couldn’t be enforced, and some psychos with no respect for the law went and killed a bunch of people who did.
You’re forgetting the worse problem: If the government takes away all of our guns, there’s no one to protect us from the _government_ when it decides we don’t need our other rights, like freedom of speech and freedom of religion. It’s not just about hunting and protection; it’s about stopping the government from becoming a tyranny.
Heh, in other words: The Second Amendment is the one that gives all the others their teeth >=3
im glad i live in canada we may have really strict gun laws but it keeps ppl like this happy and their mouths shut, i love hunting and most of canada does aswell im all for safe storage of a firearm (could own this but itd need a trigger lock no big deal could keep the key close and shells in a dresser drawer) but im not affraid of any home invasion really but this would be a handy tool if i were to be attacked by an extreme leftist trying to take my guns away haha
PSYCHO HOSE BEAST
So if a dude stabs another dude it’s because of guns?
…
HHHHHHEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPP
Also, what the fearow is up with you anyways? Every other comment on this thread is you ranting and swearing about guns. You should consider some, like, meditation or something before you blow a blood vessel man.
30 times the word f**k.
you are my hero.
Then this guy must be your god. :V
You, sir, are an imbecile. You have both the intellectual capacity and the language skills of a six-year-old. You have nothing to back up your arguments but curses, a load of unsubstantiated sound bites, and your own worthless and incredibly tiresome personality.
You are NOT entitled to an opinion. You are entitled to an INFORMED opinion, something it is obvious you have neither the inclination NOR the ability to acquire, due to your many egregious mental defects.
Please die, preferably in a painful and bloody manner involving a male procupine and an ill-concieved attempt at bestiality – which, for you, I’m sure would be a step up from your usual sexual practices involving your immediate antecedents.
really??? every drop… so stabbings dont cause blood flow huh go figure and no one person owning a gun in ohio doesnt not affact a murder in texas… and dont worry ill sleep safe knowing that my 12 gauge is with in arms length
“Another child is dead in the streets from a gun show wound….”
A “gun show wound”? I guess my wallet had one of those last time I shelled out a couple thousand for a set of new Sig Saur .45s. I’ll be damned if I’ve ever heard of a kid dying from one though.
I think he’s speaking from experience, I think he’s afraid his d*ck isn’t big enough for his sister.
Look, I’m all for increased regulation of firearms (and in relation to a certain recent event making some military records that aren’t public public). But acting like a 12-year old with Hollywood Tourette’s is not the way to get your point across.
That looks like something I would buy.
I already lean my shotgun up to the wall right by my head when I am in bed, so it isn’t much of a jump, just more convinient. :3
Good thinking, Kurt Cobain.
Do us all a favor and reduce the NRA rolls by one a**hole, tonight.
Listen to the voices in your head! PULL THE TRIGGER YOU F**K!
Aaaand the troll swings and misses again! The crowd boos, but he just won’t quit! What a sport!
Nah, Maul…he didn’t miss…he hit himself square in the bean!
I think those of you responding to Again should consider the distinct possibility that he/she is trolling the rest of you, could care less about gun control, and is having a chuckle at the expense of others.
I think those of you trying to say I don’t have a right to my opinion should STFU and stop acting like Nazis!
Look, I’ve said it before, I hate to say it again but you apparently didn’t listen last time. I’ve had friends DIE IN MY ARMS FROM GUN SHOT WOUNDS, its no f**king laughing matter, and yeah maybe I DO get a bit “over the top” about gun control (for YOUR tastes) but you have NO RIGHT to judge me unless you’ve been in that situation and seen your beloved friend slip from life IN YOUR ARMS!
You can’t judge me if you haven’t TRULY been affected by guns in the streets, and HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME FOR WANTING TO MAKE THINGS SAFER!
Look, I get it. You like your toys. I just don’t think you realize just how DEADLY guns really are!
I think if YOU knew guns like I KNOW GUNS you would call for them to be banned too. It’s only common sense for those of us who’ve lived through gun violence…
Your friends wouldn’t have died in your arms if you hadn’t shot them. Duh.
I DIDN’T SHOOT THEM YOU F**KING A**HOLE!
One of them got into a bad deal/wrong-place-wrong-time kind of situation and was killed by an a**hole with a GUN over weed… The second time I was helping a friend move out of his ex’s home and had to run for my life when the psycho ex grabbed a GUN (not a car/swimming pool/etc people… a f**king GUN) and shot him in the back.
You f**king gun nuts are the worst people on earth, yes even worse than pedos because at least the kids don’t DIE.
yea your own words psycho ex i agree she shouldnt have had a gun and the other one getting shot because of weed well now he was a law abiding citizen than now wasnt he
So, basically, a bunch of people who probably weren’t even allowed to own guns in the first place – that is, they were prohibited from using guns by the law – got their hands on some guns and shot innocent people…
…and your solution is to disarm the people who actually obey the law.
Sorry, but banning guns won’t prevent guns from ending up in the hands of criminals, and won’t make us any safer. Banning guns will only prevent good, law-abiding citizens from owning guns. Those who do not respect the law – the drug dealers, the muggers, the thieves – will still have their guns. They can buy them on the black market, they can import them from other places, and, push come to shove, they can MAKE guns themselves (indeed, there are several survivalist books out there that detail the ways by which they can be made, should society collapse or should government do as you wish and ban them).
So yeah; banning guns isn’t the answer. Getting potential victims armed and aware – getting it so that criminals don’t know who’s armed and who’s not, getting it so that criminals are risking their lives every time they try to go out and hurt someone, rather than making them the proverbial fox in the henhouse by disarming law abiding citizens – THIS is how you will see a reduction in crime. THIS is how you will see that the evils committed against you and your family are, at the very least, significantly reduced (evil, after all, cannot ever be completely eliminated).
It is not the weapon that is evil, after all; it is the intent. The intent will always be there; all we can do is make sure that those who are innocent can defend themselves from those who are evil.
This is a from a friend of mine on a forum I frequent, who is a trained medic and has worked for a security company, and is a lifelong gun enthusiast:
“In ’87, shortly after Florida’s CCW reform, I was in the underground parking garage of a friend’s condo when I heard a woman screaming. I ran to the scene and saw a woman on the ground with a man standing over her slashing her repeatedly with a knife. She was bleeding profusely from multiple cuts on her arms, chest, face and neck. As I ran up, I drew my legally licensed to carry weapon, leveled it at the man and ordered him to drop the knife. Instead of complying, he switched grips on it to ‘blade down’ and prepared to stab the woman with it. As he drew back, I fired two rounds hitting him both times. He fell back, dropping the knife. I quickly checked him, still alive but not moving and I kicked the knife under a car.
I re-holstered my gun, closed my jacket over it and went to tend to the woman. Her eyes are WIDE with fear and she’s now shrieking “Don’t touch me…get away from me.”
I try to tell her that I’m not going to hurt her and she needs medical help…..she’s not hearing, just screaming.
Finally shock and blood loss take their toll and she partially passes out. Some businessman runs up and after quickly ID’ing myself as not the attacker, he gets some towels out of his car and calls 911. I do what I can for the woman, he checks on the guy I’ve shot, he’s still alive…barely, and we both wait for the EMT’s and police to arrive.
Luckily the guy didn’t hit anything major or any large blood vessels…..I think he was just trying to scar this woman up, and didn’t decide to try and kill her until I showed up.
Long story short….he lived, and went to prison. She lived…..AND SUED ME.
Like they say…no good deed goes unpunished. *shakes head*
She tried to tell the judge that she was more terrified of me because I’d used a gun to save her life and was afraid that I was going to shoot her next, the judge stopped her in mid testimony.
“Let me get this straight….you are suing the man who saved your life, tended your wounds and waited for help to arrive and not the person who attacked you and has scarred you for the rest of your life…..simply because he had a gun and used it to stop the vicious attack on you…..is that correct?”
“Yes”
“Did he threaten you with his gun?”
“No”
“Did he wave it around or point it at you?”
“No”
“Then why did you think he was going to harm you after he just stopped a knife attack against you?”
*Voice slightly raised and edgy* “HE SHOT A MAN!!!”
“To stop him from stabbing you after he’d cut you severely several times.”
*Voice getting shrill* “HE HAD A GUN!!!”
“That he used to very likely save your life.”
*Now nearly screaming* “THAT’S NOT THE POINT…..HE HAD A GUN AND SHOT A MAN….”
(Judge)
After ripping this woman a new one for being “The single most ungrateful individual to ever appear before me in all my years on the bench.” He not only dismissed the case with prejudice, he reamed her attorney for the totally baseless lawsuit, and ordered them to pay ALL of my legal expenses plus a little extra for aggravation, and ordered the woman into psychological/psychiatric counselling and evaluation.
As we were leaving the courthouse, I saw her get into her Mercedes and as she backed up……you guessed it…..a “National Coalition to Ban Handguns” (Now the Brady Campaign) bumper sticker with the ‘ban all guns’ symbol.”
You remind me of the woman, “Again”. You are pathologically afraid of guns, and no matter what happens – no matter if one of those ‘gun wielding psychos’ you constantly rave against saves your life, no matter if such a person saves someone you love – you will always cling to that irrational fear. And for that, I pity you, even as I get annoyed with your constant ranting.
They say that God watches over children and fools – I can only hope He watches over you, too, and protects you… even when your own neurosis prevents you from protecting yourself.
I don’t blame her for suing you at all.
You added violence to an already violent situation instead of doing the right thing calling 911. You’re a f**king a**hole and you MADE THINGS WORSE (YOU said he prepared to STAB HER TO DEATH when he saw your gun! YOUR OWN WORDS!)
YOU SAID he was probably only trying to scar her until YOU grabbed your heat, so YOU escalated things to the point where he felt he had to kill her!
I would have sued you for every dime you had if you’d done that sh*t with me in the picture! What if your gun had “accidentally gone off” and shot ME? What if he STABBED ME TO DEATH because you turned a simple scare tactic into a “cornered animal” situation? You played the “hero” and ALMOST GOT A WOMAN KILLED because you just HAD to be a “big, bad dude with a gun”.
Either call the PROS (cops) or KEEP YOUR NOSE OUT OF IT, PERIOD. We don’t need you acting like Charles Bronsan and being another a**hole vigilante, k?
“You added violence to an already violent situation instead of doing the right thing calling 911.”
Let’s see….I didn’t have a cell phone at the time and we were in an underground parking garage. Was I supposed to just run and find a phone to call the police? Is that what you would have done?
He was carving her up like a Christmas turkey and I had the means to stop his attack immediately. From the time I first heard her scream to the time I got to them was less than 30 seconds. In that short span of time he had slashed both her arms and hands, the side of her face, sliced thru her blouse and bra into both breasts and just as I saw them, he slashed her across the left side of her neck. She was laying on the ground in a pool of her own blood with her arms up trying to deflect any more blows.
He simply continued slashing her mercilessly.
I had my gun leveled at him and ordered him to drop the knife. He could have done just exactly that and run off and I would have let him go because his victim was in far more need of assistance than my desire to catch him.
Instead, he chose to try and ‘finish the job’ and that’s when I shot him to instantly stop his attack.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE?? Answer me that please.
“simple scare tactic” Your words…..slicing someone up like a side of brisket with the intent of scarring them for the rest of their lives is NOT a “simple scare tactic.” The charge was aggrevated battery and attempted murder that put him away. And he by no means was a “cornered animal” as you so blithly put it….there were no walls within 30ft in any direction and multiple ways out.
You very well could have sued me too…..and the outcome would have most likely been the same. Back then it may have been a bit more ‘iffy’ but today with our ‘Castle Doctrine’ law, your case wouldn’t have even made it to court.
I’m not sure if your a pacifist or a coward, but if you could just stand by and watch someone be brutalized and do nothing about it if you had the means to stop the attack, I don’t know WHAT you are.
“WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE?? Answer me that please.”
I notice no response. I believe you sir, have won.
+1 internet.
So if the cops had showed up with guns, it would have been ok? Because they wouldn’t have been threatened by a dozen officers with guns leveled at them? It would have just worked out dandy? After a good 10 minutes of the woman bleeding on the ground, no less?
Capital logic there, chap!
Yes, because calling 911 would have saved that woman’s life.
You make me want to reach through the Internet and smash your face off.
Umm…Kane? Please read my post again. The businessman that brought me the towels I used to staunch most of the blood flowing out of the woman DID CALL 911.
Please remember that cell phones were nowhere NEAR as prevalent back then as they are today, and only certain kinds of people could afford them at the time. Thank God, this man was one of them.
The medics and police were called almost immediately AFTER I STOPPED THE ATTACK.
Think what you will, but had I NOT shot this guy and stopped him from further injuring her, calling 911 would NOT have saved this woman’s life.
I forget that sarcasm doesn’t translate well over the internet.
My point was that when someone is getting slashed, calling 911 isn’t going to do s**t besides eat up your cell phone minutes. If someone was stabbing/cutting/slicing me, I’d much rather the person be shot immediately than have to figure out how to survive for the next 10 minutes.
My sarcasm apparently didn’t translate well.
My apologies Kane, I thougt you were talking to me. My bad.
Ah, so the attacker was acting perfectly rationally and reasonably until my friend showed up…
Seriously. THINK BEFORE YOU POST. It will save us ALL the headache of trying to fathom your spewed bile.
Also – woo for double standards! Apparently it’s wrong for us to react with lethal force when our lives are threatened, but it’s okay for you to want to cause us bodily harm over… what, words?
Aaaahh, the hypocrisy is awfully fresh tonight. Don’t worry folks – I’m sure he’ll be mixing up a new batch soon!
*meeps* Wait, sorry, responded to the wrong person. Thought you were “Again” for a moment, there.
Seriously. He could have said what you said, deadpan serious. Well, I guess he would have probably thrown in a few “DOU**C*NT”s and “A**HOLES!” in there, but you get the idea =P
Hahahah, you are forgiven.
I still want to smash his face off, though!
Umm, just a point of order here…Saaruuk and I are both ‘pro’s’. Our job is protecting other people from asshats that want to kill them.
We work hand in hand with the cops BECAUSE the cops CAN’T be there all the time to protect them.
They weren’t shot by a gun, they were shot by a drug dealer and a psycho ex who happened to find a firearm, were only knives available they would have been stabbed to death instead because their assailants had intended to kill them and in all likelihood would have resorted to available means to do it.
Just think…If YOU had a gun you could have killed your friends assailants, thereby saving your friends lives. But you were too busy hiding and screaming about the brady bill making it illegal for the gun to be there anyway. Sounds like their blood is on YOUR hands.
i bet if you or your friends had guns on them they could have shot the f**ker that was trying to shoot them… go figure
You aren’t interested in making things safer for anyone. You’re projecting your inability to save your friend’s lives onto people who had nothing whatsoever to do with their deaths.
Your irrational hatred of guns and gun owners shows clearly in your inability to post without resorting to ad hominem personal attacks and the use of profanity.
As I said, you remind me so much of this woman, and I would act no differently today as I did then, for her or you. If it takes killing a predatory “human” animal to save an innocent life, I’ll do it in a heartbeat….I’ll greive at the loss of a human life, but I won’t be sorry for my actions.
As for “being affected” by guns. Well, lets just say that 2 1/2 years in VietNam as a combat medic has given me a perspective you will never know and leave it at that.
I wish you well and pray that God gives you relief from the torment you are inflicting on yourself over the loss of your friends and you can come to terms with yourself.
Way to go, Mate. Forgot to say that before.
As I said before, Saar and I have similar backgrounds. Both of us have gone through (and continue to do so on a regular basis) extensive training in the use of force.
Both of us have similar backgrounds as medics. Neither of us wants to be forced with a situation where we might have to actually take a life. Something that, while I can’t speak for Saaruuk, I pray everyday that I don’t have to do.
I spent my life learning how to SAVE people. Mostly that means pulling them out of the twisted wreckage that used to be a car, or pulling them from a burning building. But if saving an innocent life, yours included, means taking the life of someone who is trying to kill someone else? So be it. I will act. I will act according to my training and after the fight is over, I will do everything in my power to save the life of the person I shot if it came to that.
I lived in a bad neighborhood. I watched my neighbor get stabbed on my front door step. A gun wouldn’t have prevented it and the assailant fled immediately after the attack.
I didn’t grab my gun to go after him. I grabbed my trauma kit to tend my friend and had my wife call 911 and keep the kids inside. I worked to save my neighbors life (It was a sucking chest wound) and made sure I was a good witness for the police.
Not all of us who own and carry guns are ‘Billy The Kid’ wannabe’s. Most of us are regular people who choose to exercise our right, no, our DUTY to protect ourselves and our families.
Most of us are, contrary to your narrow world view, educated, intelligent and caring people who’d be quite happy to have a drink with you.
We understand the responsibilities that go along with our right to keep and bear arms. Among those responsibilities are the responsibility to be competent with our weapon and the knowledge of when Deadly Force is legally authorized.
We generally don’t use our gun to threaten someone in a fight, we don’t wave it around trying to intimidate people. We don’t like to advertise that we are carrying…We just like to have the ability to defend ourselves and others against deadly force.
Yes, there are irresponsible gun owners. A friend of mine got a .38 special back in 1992. He had a big mouth and when someone would call him on his crap, or challenge him to a fight, his first response was to say that he’d just shoot the person. When it came time to apply for a concealed carry permit, he asked me to be a witness/reference to his character. I refused as did all of his other friends and acquaintances. He didn’t get his permit and ended up losing his right to carry for menacing.
He was reported by another RESPONSIBLE gun owner.
My friend was the exception and not the norm. Nearly all of my friends who own guns, when in a confrontation, will either back down (if they can) and call the police, try to talk to the person and diffuse the situation, or retreat. The thought of using their weapon is an absolute last resort.
Ahh…But I keep forgetting…We’re all a bunch of dumb ol’ rednecks with a single digit IQ, knuckles dragging the ground with small penises. Which…I might add…is quite a feat since last I checked, about 1/3 of gun owners were women.
You like to tell us we have no right to own firearms, which is granted to all Americans via the 2nd Amendment and at the same time you say you have a right to speak. Well if our 2nd Amendment right is null and void so is your 1st.
So one of your criminal friends was killed in the act of purchasing illegal drugs from a drug dealer. Yeah, it was the guns fault. Never mind if your friend wasn’t breaking the law in the first place maybe he wouldn’t be dealing with violent drug dealers.
As for your friend with the crazy ex, were they drug dealers too? What kind of criminal act were they involved in?
Please don’t feed the trolls. Arguing with a troll is like arguing with a drunk.
nah i like the anology never argue with an idiot by standers cant tell the difference
It’s funny to watch?
Remember: Arguing on the internet is like running in the special Olympics. Nobody really cares who wins and everyone has a hell of a lot of fun doing it.
Also everyone’s retarded.
Ever notice how happy retards are, and how much fun they have? =P
“I don’t even own ‘ah’ gun, let alone many guns which would necessitate a rack. What am I going to do with a gun rack?”
Why, you buy a gun rack so you can motivate yourself to get some guns to fill it… Oh darn, looks like you bought a few too many guns, and the rack won’t hold them all… time to get another rack… But the guns you bought didn’t quite fill it, and those empty spaces look lonely… Well, just gotta get some more guns… Ooooh, but that last one really caught your eye, and you HAD to have it, and the new rack is over-filled again…
It’s an awesome cycle =P
That’s not what Wayne Campbell did.
I know these forums are pretty charges politically, and Guns is a hot debate topic, but… I’m not sure the picture is really about the gun so much as the bed side mount.
I’ll not disagree or argue about gun rights, but I am quite concerned with the idea of keeping a firearm 3 sec from dreamyland. I say, sit up, maybe even stand, and stretch that arm out a whole 3-4 feet before shooting, if you would please:)
One may not have time for that. You may only hear the burglar when he’s opening your door… Heck, people sleep with revolvers under their pillows all the time, and that’s not a big deal.
Get a dog. Train him to walk over to your bed and say: “Hey dude, there’s a burglar.” Then you’ll be warned and can hit center mass of that motherf**ker.
And if the guy has a firearm, all you have is a dead dog. A gun, at the very worst, can be taken from you – in which case you were already in trouble – or can’t be used – in which case it is neither a benefit or a liability.
Revolver under the pillow is pretty sketch unless you have like, ninjas after you.
Yeah I never understood that. Granted it takes a bit of force to pull the trigger of a revolver… but still. Keep your damn trigger covered. ;|
Reminded me of a funny…
(courtesy of http://www.corneredcat.com)
*****INTENDED AS SATIRE*****
“We hear of an unfortunate woman who, during an nighttime asthma attack, confused the small handgun she kept under her pillow with an asthma inhaler and proceeded to relieve her symptoms. It was not a fatal mistake, partly because she used a .25 ACP, which everyone knows is not sufficient to clear sinuses.” — Jeff Cooper
…could be a true story…
Not sure why this is a “wtf”… These have been around for ages. For those living in crime ridden areas its pretty handy to have a deterrent sitting right next to you. Its not the act of shooting the gun that often stops the criminal, its simply having it in the first place.
I wonder how many gun-o-phobes have ever stepped foot in a gunshop? I don’t think I’ve ever been snubbed or mistreated by ANYONE inside any I’ve been in. An armed society is a polite society.
The people I’ve spoken to in gunshops (both Democrat and Republican) are friendlier than a lot of people on both sides (though most of my Republican friends are still slightly more friendly) that I know from elsewhere, including my church.
If I get into a political talk with any of the Reps I meet at a local gunshop, they’ll go into extensive detail to elaborate on which of a person’s policies and ideals they don’t like, instead of bashing the person. With a lot of the Dems I know from elsewhere, the best thing I’ll get when they bash a person is, “He’s a Republican.”
Mine is just one account though, so take it with a grain of salt.
where are all these kids dying in the streets from gunfire? i don’t see them, i see grown,worthless, unemployed wannabe gang bangers with felony records preventing them from legally owning a gun killing each other in the streets with guns, though that’s odd since they aren’t allowed to have them. Oh that’s right, of the numbers of “kids” the brady campaign says are killed by guns every year the vast majority of them are age 18-24, and the shootings are gang related. you should check out the FBI’s violent crime statistics, or even just national death statistics. Armed citizens kill more criminals every year than police, and police kill more innocent civilians every year than legally armed citizens do, again this is according to the FBI. Also according to national death stats a child is 100 times more likely to die in a home with a swimming pool than a home with a firearm, we better get to banning those deadly backyard lagoons. owning or carrying a firearm, and knowing how to safely handle and properly use it, is no different than wearing a seatbelt and keeping a spare tire in your vehicle. Are there irresponsible and unsafe gun owners? absolutely, just like their are irresponsible and unsafe drivers(they kill more people than guns do), but the fact remains that there is plenty of proof that more strict gun laws only affect the law abiding citizens’ ability to defend themselves against the criminals who have no respect for the law(most of whom already cannot legally own a firearm). The key is to enforce existing laws, not make new ones. And as for the comments about joining civilization and banning guns, people are a hell of a lot more civil when you have no idea who has a pistol strapped on under their shirt. Quick kudos the the guy who used “hoplophobe”, R.I.P Col. Cooper
I would love to see the stats…do you have a URL?
It was probably mentioned somewhere in Dr. Lott’s work…I’m gonna have to re-read it.
it is in Dr. Lott’s “more guns, less crime” and the sources are sited therein, though i have looked up the the sources and it is much easier to go through the stats as compiled in the book than to look them all up individually
If I blamed inanimate objects for the people who doed in MY arms, I’d be out to ban cars.
Fortunately, I’M not an idiot who can’t differentiate between the actions of tools, and the actions of the scum who are occasionally WIELDING the tools.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m goiing to run down Again’s best friend with an SUV. We need to get those things off the road.
They can have my gun when they pay me enough to buy two more guns and maybe a rocket launcher. Seriously guys I actually love guns. I own all the Ted Nugent albums.
You’re a f**king IMPOSTER TROLL!
I like him better than you.
I think you’re the imposter [sic].
All in favor of replacing the old “Again” with the new “Again”, raise your paw – err, hand!
*raises paw anyways*
*raises hand eagerly*
Right here!
I’m Spartacus!
the parents of that kids should have taught the kid not to go snooping into other peoples things….PROBLEM????
You guys miss the point -
Who cares about kids?
Kids suck.
Look, everybody.
I know you think I am some sort of loon when it comes to gun control… And I guess that I am, but its for good reason.
I had a friend die in my arms after being shot. All of you who judge me and act like I don’t know what I am talking about have NO RIGHT to judge me as harshly as you do! YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO LOSE SOMEONE YOU LOVE BECAUSE OF A GUN, so how dare you tell me I’m delusional/stupid/weak/whatever! I’m trying to STOP this from happening to people like YOU!
Oh, but you just have to have your toys and “exercise your rights” huh?
I just hope that YOUR child/spouse/lover/friend doesn’t pay the ultimate price for YOUR inaction against the menace of guns on the streets… But if they do, I hope you stop and think back to all the hatred you leveled at ME and realize how WRONG you were.
1. I fully agree that you are a loon when it comes to gun control (and probably in other areas of your life). Never disagreed with that ^.^
2. If he were killed with a knife, would you say “I LOST SOMEONE I LOVE BECAUSE OF A KNIFE!!!”? Of course not. Because knives aren’t sentient creatures that make decisions; they are inanimate objects. They were killed by a human who happened to use a gun as his weapon, and your friend would be just as dead if they decided to kill him with a knife, or a baseball bat, or a golf club… and probably have died more painfully.
3. You do not ‘stop this from happening to people like us’ by barring us from getting weapons that the criminals are getting anyway. You do not disarm innocent people and then say that they are safer; that is folly.
4. These are not toys. They are weapons. We may use them recreationally, and we may call them ‘toys’, but in the end of the day we treat them with the caution and care they deserve. Why? Because we know just how much damage they can do to a person.
5. I hope that my loved one is armed at the time. But, odds are? They won’t be. And the criminal will be – a criminal who is most likely already banned from owning guns, and is using a stolen gun, and basically has no problems getting ahold of guns… Whereas my loved one would have probably been dissuaded by the gun-hostile environment people like you have created, an environment that says “Oh, no civilized person should carry a gun, it’s just not nice!”
If my family member is unarmed and shot by a criminal that is, you can be sure that I will be blaming you and people like you for making guns taboo, and legislating away our only reasonable defense against those who do not care about the law.
If I gave you $50, would you eat a turd?
Even just like, a nibble?
$100?
Woah. You actually said something in an almost non-hateful, if not downright tolerable fashion.
Son, I am much proud.
But I’m not giving up my gun. I live on a farm, where the danger of coyotes and foxes mauling my livestock and young relatives is too great not to have my trusty 870 by my side. You know the varmints have been getting more aggressive lately? Lost an entire flock of chickens to a single fox.
Besides that, there’s been a minor boost in crime in areas around my county. I’d hate to be unarmed if a group of young men broke into my house, not giving a single damn about my life, or the lives of anyone in my family.
What were the circumstances behind your loved one’s death? I can assure you, you didn’t lose them “because of a gun.” You lost them because of a person. Whether it was themselves, a negligent handler, or a bum in the streets. Ever lost somebody because of a rock? A scalpel? A knife? No. You lose them because of the individual(s) misusing those inanimate objects. A situation with a gun is no different.
If you can’t/refuse to see that, I truly feel sorry for you.
Actually, I do. One, at 14, was killed with a .22 pistol. It was the person holding that gun that I blame. Not the gun itself.
Second, a dear friend of mine was shot while I watched. He’s gone now and I will never again be able to go hunting or target shooting with him. He was a Navy SEAL and believed firmly in our second amendment rights to keep and bear arms.
My father lived to be 68 years old and died of natural causes, because my brother, with his legally owned pistol, was able to use it to save his life from seven thugs with baseball bats who were trying to kill him.
The mere presence of the gun was enough for them to flee.
I am alive because of my legally owned .45 ACP. I didn’t have to shoot him. I thought I was going to have to, but he backed down and left without my ever having to fire a shot. I was more than willing to do so, but thank God I didn’t have to.
I have BEEN shot at close range when I was 19 while working.
I have also saved a woman from being raped and murdered with a gun. Fact…Most cases in which a crime has been stopped by someone with a gun, no shots have been fired.
Fact, more private citizens own/possess firearms than do police or military.
Fact, there are more officer involved shootings than shootings involving private citizens.
Fact, more officers are convicted or disciplined for unlawful use of force than private citizens.
The problem isn’t private citizens owning guns. It’s the criminals. But then again, I have seen how you respond to facts.
I’m not judging you. You have a right to your opinion. A right that I cheerfully volunteered to defend and will continue to defend with my dying breath.
You do NOT however, have the right to become abusive to people with deferring opinions than your own and expect that they are not going to respond with hostility.
The hubris I see you displaying is mind boggling.
Go ahead, call me what you will. Better men than you have called me worse
I find that all a little hard to believe.
Who cares? Not me.
I own a horse. You believe that?
I think you made him sign out… I wonder why saying “I own a horse” makes other people sign off like that…
Anything is possible when you think before writing your post.
Your comment is now diamonds.
You only find it hard to believe because it doesn’t fit in your narrow, preconceived view on how the world is.
Little hint. The world ain’t a Hollywood Movie. It’s reality. Reality is way different than Hollywood, Sport. You’d do well to learn that.
If you find it a little hard to believe, I’m sorry. But it’s a bit hard for me to disbelieve considering I lived through it.
As I said before, I heard worse from better.
You say we have no right to judge you based on your words yet you judge us.
You chose to ignore the facts presented to you, that makes you ignorant.
You continue to fear an inanimate object, that makes you a fool.
I’m sure you find this hard to believe too, but you are the only one.
Again……You may have a legitimate reason for hating guns, but what about the PERSON who killed your friend? As Maulkin pointed out, would you be so vehement about banning tire irons, golf clubs, knives, screwdrivers etc etc had you friend who ‘died in your arms’ been killed with one of those? I ask, because every item I named has been used by a criminal to take the life of another human being. Statement of absolute, provable, documented fact….not rhetoric.
And you presented yourself as a raving loon by your own posts. Your position could be taken a lot more seriously and you would have considerably more credibility if your posts hadn’t been comprised of mostly screeching rhetoric and vulgar name calling.
That alone is why you’re looked at as a blithering idiot with no grasp of either common sense or rational thought processes.
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+9000
Additional +1 so that it can be OVER 9000!!!!
Ok, YES I do get passionate about the issue and have problems controlling myself, but like I said before I have good reason to be anti-gun.
The items you mentioned, unlike guns, are NOT designed just for killing other people – Yes, even (most) knifes are designed to be utilitarian! – but GUNS ARE designed to kill!
I have no doubt in my mind that my friend would be ALIVE today if the person who killed him hadn’t had a GUN. He was 6’4″ and one of the most INCREDIBLE men I’ve known in my lifetime… And now he’s dead because some PUNK shot him over a stupid bag of weed. Just like that… In a FAIR fight he would have stomped that kid but, obviously, it wasn’t fair.
He wasn’t killed with a tire iron, knife, screwdriver, bat, or golf club. HE WAS KILLED BY A F**KING GUN, a gun designed for one sole purpose – TO KILL PEOPLE.
^^ THAT is why I am against all guns, and I admit I get pissed at gun owners to the point of frothing at the mouth but its because I just don’t understand WHY you guys insist on keeping these murder weapons on the streets! You have to understand that, it’s not me being b*tchy its because YOU allow guns to get onto the streets!
Do you get it now?
Can you understand WHY I am like I am?
maybe he shuldnt of been high culda reacted quicker or better yet just paid the man wouldnt need for the confrontation
You’re an idiot. There’s nothing worse than a passionate idiot who doesn’t listen.
If you had been there, with a gun, who would be dead? Your friends, or the vermin? Yes, some guns are intended for killing people. Some people decide to need killing.
The right to self defense means nothing if you are stripped of the ability to actually do so. That means weapons at least as good as the perps have.
The Japanese admitted why they never tried to set foot in America in WWII. Too many armed people, civilians, under no legal authority that could effectively order them to surrender.
Tyrants hate that sort of thing, which is why the government is now against the Second Amendment right for the people to keep and bear arms. Oh, and you, too. Your trust in the government is touching.
I would never touch a gun, under ANY circumstances. It is against my principals.
Some friend you are… “Die, so I won’t have to touch a gun!”
Well, that’s a bit harsh.
He does have the right to have his principles and not touch a gun. I have several friends who are like that. Difference is, they respect my right to have a gun and don’t use their principles to justify taking away that right.
Most also know that I am competent with my weapon, don’t go waving it about and know that I know how to use it. They also don’t have a problem with me having it in their home. They also know that if they did have a problem with me having it in their homes, that I would not bring it into their homes (line of duty not withstanding).
I meant it to be harsh. If the life of a perp means more to him than the life of a friend, he deserves no friends. Any ethic that puts the life of vermin ahead of the life of an innocent, is utterly worthless in civilized society.
Well, there is that.
I have a spear on my wall. It is a blade forged with the sole intention of putting big holes in living things.
Umad bro?
*high-fives*
I have a sword with a human-sized gut hook on it.
brotip: he mad
Yes, I inderstand: you’re evidently traumatized. I don’t blame you for that, though.
understand*
Incorrect. Not all guns are intended as murder weapons. Shotguns will accept a variety of loads intended as nonlethal deterrents to hostile individuals. This includes bean-bag rounds, pepper-spray, tear-gas, taser, the list goes on. Many high powered large caliber rifles are labeled as “anti-material” intended to be used to stop vehicles by piercing the engine block.
Maybe your friend should not have been dealing in illegal narcotics and he would still be alive. You ask for trouble when you put yourself in that sort of situation.
You bring up a rather valid comparison. Weed is illegal to own or grow in most of the United States. And yet somehow someone managed to smuggle it in to sell it to your friend. Now lets consider the thousands of men and women and billions of dollars spent each year to control and stop the drug trade across the borders. How much good does it do? I myself know of a certain pass across the Rio Grande where, every week, five people carrying 200 pounds of weed total cross the border. We called the border patrol the first few times but still every week they cross over into America.
Now lets say that there was some magic law that was passed banning all guns. How would you possibly stop people from smuggling guns across the border and selling them on the streets as easily as drugs are today?
I think I’ll get one of these and keep it right beside my bed…at least until I’m able to keep a Policeman on the wall to deploy in case of home invasion.
That’s it! This discussion is over! Everybody go home!
/thread
All right, who *else* pictured Otto Matic, Pilot?
I think you should be as vehement about Banning Weed, since it is what killed your friend. And your argument is exactly what Maulkin was talking about. I think that you are the criminal that wants people to be unarmed! Then your 6’4″ friend could have had NO problem getting that bag of weed. Ban Guns! And Forks! And Responsibility, and Common Sense, and Impartiality! I can read through your posts and see the logic you barfed out, trying so earnestly to hide your agenda.
Such grand assumptions, 12 year old school yard tactics in conversation, you’re mother huffing paint (Paint is my horse. I own a horse) and you blowing the homeless for cab fare, political jihadist jabs at such a humongous class of law abiding citizens.
I offer NO reasons why I own ALL of the Guns I do, what extensive training I had prior to, or post ownership, or anything you feel will be undermined by your “Corky’ like intellect, save one- Because I CAN! I know it wouldn’t help you if I told you I was both Military and Police (MP) because you changed your stance mid blather! Plus, NOW I don’t feel clean having affirmed your existence with my retort. Need to wash now.
Um, weed never killed anyone dude…
And WTF does a horse have to do with anything? You’re not making sense at all.
Are you seriously that stupid? Nevermind, I already know the answer.
Smoking weed may not have killed anyone, but trying to acquire a supply has.
Bottom line…..your friend died as the result of a drug deal gone bad.
I can’t believe that you are naive enough to think that drug dealers aren’t armed. Whatever went down that ended with your friend getting killed was a criminal activity in the first place…..so you can’t blame guns for his death with any degree of credibility.
I’m truly sorry that you friend is dead, but he had to know the potential dangers involved in getting “a stupid bag of weed.”
And not to put too fine a point on it…..your friend was killed WITH a gun and not “BY” one. The gun didn’t to a thing but launch a projectile as it was designed to do. The dirtbag holding it is who aimed it at your friend.
Sigh… I can’t do this anymore.
I can’t seem to get through to anyone so why bother trying again? You won’t listen anyways…
Funny, we were about to say the same thing about you…
Heh, it’s not about trying to convince him. It’s about showing lurkers just how batsh** insane the gun grabbers are, and showing how rational the gun-rights-advocates are. It’s not about changing his mind, it’s about changing *other* people’s minds.
Umm, some of us HAVE been saying the same thing to him
Here’s some of your own medicine:
YOU F*CKING PIECE OF SH*T!!!!! SH*TTY C*CK B*LLS!!! YOU SIT HERE WITH YOUR F*CKING INTERNET ARGUMENTS AND THEN WHEN YOU DON’T WIN YOU QUIT LIKE A F*CKING P*SSY WITH SH*T ALL OVER HIS C*CK AND B*LLS!!!!!! GUNS ARE AWESOME YOU F*CKING C*CK B*TCH ASSH*LE B*ST*RD!!!! C*CK C*CK C*CK!!! C*CK ALL OVER THE PLACE!! C*CK IN YOUR FACE BECAUSE THE BLOOD ON INNOCENTS IS ON SOMEONE’S HAND!!! I’M GONNA SHOOT MY F*CKING GUN OUT MY TRAILER DOOR CAUSE GUNS ARE F*CKING AWESOME AND I’M A F*CKING MAY-UN!!! SUCK MY B*ALLS YOU P*SSY B*TCH!!! YAY GUNS!!! I HOPE SOMEONE SHOOTS YOU IN THE F*CKING C*CK SOME DAY SO YOU CAN SEE HOW AWESOME GUNS ARE YOU REPUKE PIECE OF SH*T!!! HHAAHHAHA!!!
Channeling your inner ‘Again’?
Yep. Thought it would make me feel better but it just made me feel more stupid.
I had a pony. Who wouldn’t want a pony?
Well said, Savage. Loved it.
my action against the “menace on the streets” is i carry a gun that i train and practice with more often ,and am more proficient with, than your average police officer(training/qualification requirements for most departments is sad). Also your idea of handguns existing for the sole purpose of killing people is entirely incorrect, a handgun by definition is a defensive weapon to be used in a last ditch effort to prevent loss of life and is actually a poor choice if you are dead set on killing someone, a centerfire rifle in a formidable caliber would be the choice for an offensive weapon. to quoute someone much more versed in gunfighting than myself “A pistol is a good tool to fight your way to a gun”
Having a rifle next to my bed a decade ago saved my life. A criminal tried to bash my brains in with a 5lb sledge hammer. The police response time would have been measured in hours because I live on a remote mountain side. Oh, btw, there are no kids in my house, nor in many houses in the USA but of course that makes me irresponsible for having a gun next to my bed??? wtf?
It is the fact that a handgun is designed to kill people that makes it so effective at keeping people from being killed. Because people KNOW that it is designed to kill people. If someone on the street is thinking of beating you to death, and you have a baseball bat, they may think that they could take you, or may get a few friends to take you, because he thinks he can be fast enough and maybe take a hit to the side if he isn’t before a friend jumps in. If that same someone is thinking of beating you to death and you have a gun, or if he even SUSPECTS that you have a gun, he knows just how deadly guns can be and isn’t going to risk it.
Put quite simply, would you rather be in a boxing match or a game of Russian Roulette with only your side playing? Would you even want to join that last game? The criminal isn’t any more suicidal than you.
Yes, criminals can do great harm with guns. But they’ll do just about as much harm with any other weapon, from knives to fists, while for innocent civilians guns level the playing field a lot more (granny doesn’t pump iron that much but can still fend off a would-be murderer with a shotgun). In the hands of murderers guns are just another weapon. In the hands of innocents guns level the playing field just by being present.
In other words, I do not trust that making it against the law to own a weapon that can be make from household objects will prevent people who break the law from owning weapons that can be made from household objects. Expecting it to make a difference for the better is like making it against the law for lawbreakers to break the law, and expecting that to have any effect.
And finally, I must wonder if the people against everyone but those in the military and police force owning a gun (on the grounds of those groups getting special training on how/when to use it, according to them) would also be against people with Concealed Carry Licenses owning a gun since they get just as much (if not more) training in firearms and the like as the police and military? This isn’t directed at just one person but anyone who feels that way.
Thank you for your time.
yeah theres dumb laws in canada about owning a firearm only long rifles and shot guns are allowed to be transported for hunting and sporting purposes ownin a handgun is restricted u can only go to and from a registered firing range and you must take the quickest possible route these laws dont do anything with the gang bangers in our cities who own illegal guns and most of the time the killings are done by stabbing
Again, you need to take this and talk about that in therapy.
Some years ago, a person i knew had watched her mother and sibling being killed and carved to pieces by a phsyco, who was using a …screwdriver… Yes, she did have a reason for her phobia against screwdrivers, and yes many years of therapy did help her after all.
This is not a made-up story, and you should go see a professional about it.
Oh and just a thought, i highly doubt that calling someone a “c**cks***r” “being passionate”. More like raging vulgar.
Maybe so… I did do some therapy but it still gets to me ya know?
For the love of Pete…Get MORE therapy.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/27/white-house-to-push-gun-control.html#comments
Finally!
I’m still trying to figure out if this nancy is for real or a troll or what. Do real people really think like this???
This seemed appropriate…
http://www.elfwood.com/~krippahl/babytroll.2927170.html
And with the new House Majority, it probably won’t go anywhere.
One thing IS a proven fact. Bills passed in the heat of emotion following a tragedy, ALWAYS make BAD LAW.
There are over 22,000 gun laws, state, local and federal on the books already. Not one of them has ANY EFFECT ON CRIMINALS, other than to prescribe penalities for breaking them. There is not one singel “gun control” law that has ever taken a gun out of the hand of a criminal, nor stopped him from acquiring one….PERIOD.
The Obama Regime isn’t the slightest bit interested in addressing the tragedy of Gabby Gifford, only using it to further a stated anti-gun agenda of further restricting access and choice to lawful citizens.
This Whack-job Loughner had multiple run ins with the police, Sheriff Dimwit in particular…..yet THE AUTHORITIES DID NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE about it.
Are you aware that the Pima Co Sheriff’s Dept has refused a FOIA request for PUBLIC RECORDS concerning their contact and interactions with Loughner in the past?
WHY???
Why do they NOT want records that are by law supposed to be available to the public to be seen? Could it be that they’re now playing a game of “CYA” so that their abysmal failure in properly dealing with a demonstrably unstable person can’t be directly linked to the mass shooting?
The civil suit ramafications are staggering.
Oh yes…..I have no doubt that BHO is going to try to push for some “reasonable” measures.
Funny how anything the left wants to do to restrict guns is always called “reasonable” when in reality the core objective is the complete disarming of the American citizenry.
They will try to ‘soft-pedal’ this so as not to be seen as dancing in the blood of the victims, and to try and paint anyone who opposes their “reasonable” restrictions as “wanting to see more people die in mass murders” or somesuch other screed.
This regime is both formulaic and predictable…..as is most of the left where gun control is concerned.
Guess what? The reason that he was able to get a gun even though he was mentally handicapped was for other liberal laws. He applied for the military at one point. They rejected him because the psych analysis he voluntarily took showed that he had a screw loose… but because the government wants people to come forward and take such willingly, rather than having to be forced, that do not share the test results with anyone else.
The liberals want to go easy on such people, yet they ignore the simple fact that ALL laws have unintended consequences, ESPECIALLY the big, bloated ones that the current batch want to pass.
Point of Order, Maul. Loughner was turned away from the military because of a failed drug test. Under a law (order) from the Clinton Administration (Particularly Janet Reno), the US Military is forbidden from reporting failed drug tests to the FBI.
Had they reported the results of his drug screen, under laws passed in the 1960′s IIRC, that stated no one who has failed a drug test may own a firearm.
I think a quick access gun storage unit next to the bed would allow fast retrieval of a loaded weapon, and keep the kids from getting their hands on it…Consider that it keeps the weapon from the hands of burglars, as well. You aren’t always home, in bed, and crooks do tend to hit empty homes.
I guess that’s the type of invention nobody would think about outside of the USA.
That gun rack is awesome. When I get a shotgun I will probably get one of those. Unless I have children in which case I will most likely keep a handgun in my nightstand.
Also, I actually read this whole thread. It took me over an hour and I want to tell you all, particularly Maulkin, that you are some of the most patient and even-tempered people I have seen in quite a while. These posts gave me a lot of insight for future justification of my views to my students.
Sigh
the same tired old rant of “OMG protekt teh kiddies”
I own firearms and advocate the same.
lets review the facts:
the rack is obvoiusly not designed for secure storage. A responsible owner would keep it secured when not in bed.
if you want to protect the kids I would suggest that you review the NIH statistics. number one cause of death in children: incureable diseases like cancer.
number two: prevenable accident/injury in the home. Number three: parental neglect/abuse.
number 4: vehicle accident. number 5: drug abuse. number 6 suicide (not by gun) number 7: fire arm related.
yup, thats right mommy and daddy are beating more kids to death than are killed by guns, drugs and cars.
here is the fun part: the nih massaged those statistics to be anti gun by making the childrens age group 2 – 25 – to specifically get the age group (16 -25) most likely to be harmed by fire arms lumped in. Yet it still does not get into the top 5. if you make the ages 2 – 18 others have found guns do not make it into the top 10.
so yes think of the kids – give em more hugs than beatings for a start.
as for the need. I am 6’3” and 220 lbs. Not too small/weak. Through no fault of my own I am currently under direct threat. (of the hand delivered, credible death threats from a person with a history of violent behavior type). I too keep a fire arm handy. I was advised to do this by the police officer who responded to my call about the threat letters. He said “when seconds count we will be six minutes away”.
If you dont like guns, ok, dont have them. If you dont want criminals to have guns, insist that police enforce the very strong laws ALREADY on the books.
Dont punnish the 80 + Million gun owners in the US who have not committed crimes and have no intention to do so.
If guns were as dangerous as the brady people insisted there would be a lot less people in the US. The last credible estimate from the BATF places gun ownership in the US at a minimum of 1 per every man woman and child on US soil. They could not prove it but said the number was likely higher – as in the 3 + per individual range. If brady was correct we would have a hollocaust on our hands. We dont, sorry.
As for the hillbilly/redneck slurs:
Sadly I do not conform to this predjudical immage. No more than I conform to the old pickaninny caracature. Please do not confuse your gross ignorance and immaturity with reality.
As for education, two college degrees, time spent as an instructor, and current work that made me responsible for the safety of 900,000+ human lives last year alone. None were at risk.
@the rest of the internet:
I know that this is feeding the troll. I am sometimes not able to sit idly by while someone insults me and large numbers of people I respect and then go on to try to force illegitimate laws and policies on us. If we always sit idly by and say nothing then they will continue to run rough shod over us.
hug your kids (if you have any),
Peace,
Erg
What a sad, tiny life you must lead.
You do realize that there are people besides Republicans who own guns, right?
And seriously, who censors themselves on the word “asshole?” Your anti-gun rant and your unwillingness to use mild curse words contradict one another.
Seriously. What a bigoted little troll.
Your a sick f**king a**hole.
Oh, and there are OTHER KIDS who could end up getting YOUR GUN too you know!
What if you invited someone in and THEIR KID blew them selves away? You’d be up sh*t creek with no paddle for sure dude… You better rethink this NRAtard gun nut sh*t and fast.
*Smiles broadly*
Heh….I like how you think. :^D
*Laughs*
I like how you think…..and it seems you have some of the same training I do.
So you don’t believe the world is overpopulated? People like you, who believe we should keep everyone safe, are contributing to global warming, fascism and, probably, Breast cancer.
Troll-y troll likes trolling.
Maybe you aren’t responsible enough to own guns (i.e. don’t have a lock for them, or a safe, or can’t put them out of reach when kids come over, or lock your bedroom door, or *gasp* all of the above)… but that doesn’t mean other people aren’t responsible enough. In fact, so far pretty much the only arguments you’ve made rely on you defining what allllll the gun owners do (or don’t do). That’s a lot of people to speak fairly for! I somehow doubt your mental capacity for such a task.
And seriously… when you have company over, you just let their kids run rampant? What about the knives in the kitchen drawer? Or the heavy TV on top of the entertainment center? Or your electrical outlets?
(Then again, I’m assuming you probably don’t have problems with kids wandering your house because they’re preoccupied with being tied up in the basement.)
At the end of the day, this argument can be settled in two words: Molon labe.
…
I regularly invite random children over to my house and invite them to touch my gun which I never secure in any way.
Thanks to your comment though, I have seen the error of my ways and will never do so again.
I don’t know how this fits into the discussion, but yes as a matter of fact I DO think the world is overpopulated…
As for me contributing to the problem… Um, no I don’t actually. For one, men can’t have babies, and two every time I have sex I use condoms… Not that the OTHER MEN could end up pregnant (hint hint) but just because.
If anything I’m part of the solution to overpopulation, not the problem.
NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO OWN GUNS
Police and military are BARELY capable of doing so with YEARS of specialized training… What makes you think that 8th Grade Dropout Bubba T. Palin is going to know ANYTHING about guns? But yet here you are saying he should own devices meant to KILL PEOPLE… Sigh.
As for my company… Well to be honest most of them don’t bring their kids along, because I have a “child-free environment” in my home and tell them so before they come over. I make RARE exception for my niece, and YES there have been times when she has slipped away from the adults and managed to get into other rooms of the house (and YES I do lock the doors – She still gets in!) so obviously locking doors is NOT enough to deter children from going wherever they want.
I hate to think of the horrible things that could have happened if I were foolish enough to own a gun…
Oh, and yeah funny. I don’t have a basement smart a**… And I don’t get tied up, I do the tying up
I won’t be “coming to get them” (I looked up molon labe) but I WILL be writing my Congressman and asking THEM to write the laws so the cops can go and get them… And that WON’T BE PRETTY if you refuse, I assure you.
“NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO OWN GUNS”
Just exactly WHO are you to make that determination?
You know how people have cards in their wallet that say “DO NO RESUSCITATE”?
You need a shirt that says “PLEASE DO NOT EVER USE A GUN TO SAVE MY LIFE”
Also, lol: “Police and military are BARELY capable of doing so with YEARS of specialized training…”
If only someone would put their size 13 up your ass so you would stop talking out of it.
Uh Oh, change coming at the speed of USPS. Lightning quick.
“As for my company… Well to be honest most of them don’t bring their kids along, because I have a “child-free environment” in my home and tell them so before they come over.”
Translation: ‘I’m a convicted pedophile and am forbidden to have contact with children!’
Doh!
Yeah. A few people like you is all it takes to convince *me* that the herd could use a good thinning…
So do your parents know you’re gay yet?
“I regularly invite random children over to my house and invite them to touch my gun”
Giggity!
“Again”, you give us gay guys a bad name.
Ever heard of Matthew Shepherd? They did what they did to him… WITHOUT guns… and he couldn’t defend himself. Why? Because it was several against one, and the most he had was his fists.
If he had a gun, he could have defended himself. And even if all of them had guns, he would have at least taken out one of his assailants, and at worst would have died a less painful, humiliating death.
He’s makes a bad name for all of us man-lovers (seriously, why do they have to censor out the word ‘g-a-y’???) out there.
Matthew Shepherd died horribly. He was subdued and beaten by a bunch of guys, and left to die on a school fence.
Guess what? No guns were involved. No guns were needed; Shepherd was unarmed, and he was at their mercy.
If he had been armed, he probably wouldn’t have died – he’d still be alive and kicking today, and probably have a successful job and a loving boyfriend.
And, if they had all been armed, they would have probably backed down – the bullies didn’t want to die themselves, after all. Worst case, he would have died quickly (rather than the slow, painful, humiliating death he endured), and would have taken one of his attackers down with him. Either scenario is preferable to what happened.
You keep on trying to demonize guns. I tell you now, guns are not the problem; they are tools. They can be used for good or for evil, for self defense or for slaughter, for hunting or murder. A knife, or a baseball bat, or a car could be used just as easily to kill someone, but, again, they are just tools, and have no intrinsic good or evil to them.
It is people who are good and evil. Not guns. Stop trying to blame guns for the choices and actions of evil individuals.
Seriously. Go to a gun range sometime. Learn about what you hate so much.
there not just meant to kill ppl they kill tastey animals too i aim for the babies get em while their tender leave no orphans
Heck, a gun can be used for all sorts of things, in a pinch. A tool’s use is determined by the user. My aunt and uncle use guns to, ah, ‘decommission’ old appliances…
And, heck, it’s just plain fun to go shooting.
*que “Again” ranting about us being violent a**holes, and compensating for small d***s, and all of his usual bigotry and hate*
i use a .22 to decommission old beer cans or a 12 gauge to make colanders out of old 100gal oil drums(emptied first of course dont wanna pollute) works great for straining my macaroni
There’s a Gary Larson cartoon in which a man says to another man, “I hear you’re pretty handy with a gun…”
The man being addressed is in the process of using the butt of his revolver to fix the shingles on his roof.
When I read your post, I picture you doing just that. =p
Sooo… Are you suggesting that the GLBT community should be packing heat?
Are you really f**king retarded or are you just pulling my chain here?
For one, cops and military people are still just human. They have no magical or divine essence granted to them by God; they are still only human. If I do not have the right to kill in defense of myself, my loved ones, my liberty, and my property, then neither do they.
For another, it’s fairly obvious when your life is being threatened. If someone is in your house against your will, YOUR LIFE IS BEING THREATENED. If someone is coming at you with a knife raised, YOUR LIFE IS BEING THREATENED. If someone is standing over a woman and slashing her face open with a knife, and she is screaming for help, HER LIFE IS BEING THREATENED.
Just because YOU have a moral conundrum about it doesn’t mean the rest of humanity does.
Ps: The whole “Nazi” thing is getting old. Maybe you could try something more creative?
PPS: Dude, I’m gay. No interest in the women-folk, thanks.
Said the Nazi, once again.
I know all about “what I hate so much” from my time on the STREETS you jacka**!
I know all about my friend DYING IN MY ARMS because of a f**king gun!
What the f**k do YOU know? What makes you think YOU can judge ME?
Nope. I’m not. Gays are one of the groups targetted specifically for violence; if they are armed, they are less likely to be victims of violence.
Go ahead, take a few minutes to digest that. I know your brain has difficulty with concepts that your frothing madness has rejected over and over again.
I am indeed saying that the g-a-ys should pack heat. We are one of the most targeted communities for violence. If it were well known that we were armed and dangerous, the people who try to kill and maim us probably wouldn’t be willing to risk life and limb to ‘smear the q-u-e-e-r’.
I’ll give you a couple minutes to digest that – I know that your tiny brain has trouble accepting new concepts, especially when your frothing madness tries its hardest to reject them.
(*grumbles* Stupid website ate my post, and only decided to post it when I tried to repost… *mumble-grumble*)
Are you a Pink Pistol member?
I hear the Nuge is one of their spokesmen…Good old Uncle Ted.
Look up the Pink Pistols, it’s a an all gay gun rights group, and they do a whole lot of good in fighting for the 2nd amendment
So, basically, you’ve only seen what happens when criminals get their hands on guns, and you refuse to see anything else. You are ignorant, but stubbornly so…
Stubbornly ignorant…
Stupid…
Well, there we have it, folks! ^.^
Guns do not have souls. Guns do not have anger.
Perhaps your problem is that you anthropomorphize guns. You see *them* as the killers and not the men who wield the guns.
A gun cannot kill without a person. A person on the other hand can kill without a gun. The gun is secondary to the action of killing, while the person is absolutely essential. It is the person therefore that should bear your anger and not his tool of choice.
Your friend was killed by a criminal, not a gun.
“my time on the STREETS”
Hahahahahahahah. You big bad e-thug, you.
It’s funny.
He’s trying to be mad and scary, yet he wants the world to be a cushy, family friendly place.
The only way it could be funnier is if he actually called on of us a stupid doo-doo head.
Of course, we would then have to break out the “I am rubber, you are glue”, and no one wants to go there.
Me too. I prefer turning steel plates into expanded metal with a rifle.
The “small name, BIG EGO” kind, probably.